I cannot agree. The two concepts: Creationism and Evolutionism have equally good arguments for our existence but, only creationism provides a reasonable, plausable, and complete picture.
Evolutionism falls abysmally short in explaining the origin of the "big bang". Something appearing out of nowhere?
Scientists need a reality check. By their very field, the notion of something appearing out of nowhere should cause them to shutter.
I heard a good interview yesterday with John Lennox, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford and firm believer in Creation, and outspoken critic of atheism.
He made a good point that the debate shouldn't be Science vs. Religion, but Atheism vs. Theism which I agree with.
The part I found most interesting was when asked about the 'problem of pain' i.e. why would a God, if one existed, allow pain and suffering such as birth defects and earthquakes to exist, why not just stop them?
John's answer was "Let's suppose it is a powerful argument for getting rid of God... then we've solved the intellectual problem, but we haven't removed the suffering. And we have removed all hope. So I want to rephrase the question, I do believe in God so I have the problem. Are there any grounds for seeing a glimmer of hope in all of this? And I do believe that there are, you see, central to the Christian faith is the fact that the claim that God... died on a cross... [and therefore is not removed from human suffering] Why I have hope... is that death is not the end."
I don't blame people for having hope, I think it is one of the great attractions of religion, but this isn't a line of arguing that'll convince me that, for example, the world is only thousands of years old and humans did not evolve at any point in history.
Back to the classroom, if we're going to teach Creation then I'm afraid we'll have to teach about the Dreamtime, History of Buddha, and all the rest too, what do you think?
Welcome to the Odyssey and thanks for your comments.
Firstly, in this post I'm only offering a statistic with an amusing cartoon. It caught my eye from a website that I subscribe to called: http://counterknowledge.com/
You can check out the article at: http://counterknowledge.com/?cat=10
So whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant to this post. You can question the statistic, but it's not a matter for opinion.
Secondly, there are two issues we are looking at here: one - the concepts of creationism and evolution and two – whether creationism should be taught in schools.
Personally, I don't have a problem with creationism being taught in schools. It becomes a problem when it is presented at a “scientific fact” rather than a “religious belief”. Outside of schools specializing in religious education, I don’t know where else this is done. Certainly not in a state run school, in any of the five countries that I’ve lived in.
There is a danger for students who are not taught evolutionary theory as part of their high school qualification. I’ve heard that they can't enrol in science courses at non-religious universities, as their education is lacking. Regardless of whether you believe in evolution or not, it’s still one of the dominant scientific paradigms of the twenty-first century.
Regarding the concepts of creationism and evolution: I’m neither a scientist nor a theologian. I also couldn’t possibly hope to change your opinion, but I can give you mine:
I don’t really see creationism and evolution being mutually exclusive. I feel it’s possible to believe in both at the same time. Could the line from the bible “let there be light” be an analogy for the big bang? Perhaps; but the point is: the two subjects are mutually exclusive – one belongs in science class and the other in religious education. They are two completely different schools of thought. It’s like trying to solve a calculus equation by playing basketball… it ain’t going to happen.
Some of the greatest scientific minds of history have been devout Christians, including: Georges Lemaître, a Roman Catholic priest, who proposed the Big Bang theory. Francis Collins, the director of the U.S. Human Genome Project.
You don’t have to be an atheist to be a scientist.
In regard to your comments: “only creationism provides a reasonable, plausable, and complete picture” - I don’t agree. I can’t see any reason in it nor plausibility. Certainly your supporting argument: “Something appearing out of nowhere?” is just as counter-intuitive. God appearing out of nowhere is equally inexplicable as the big bang appearing out of nowhere.
It reminds me of that Family guy episode: http://www.shoutfile.com/watch/pU42Mfcn/Family-Guy-Evolution-Explained.html
How the big bang, the universe and everything came into existence is a question that scientists are trying to answer, with projects like the Large Hadron Collider. Religion however, has no need to even address the question. It’s a matter of faith, which needs no proof.
That’s my personal opinion however and I support your right to have yours.
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3 comments:
A very controversial issue.
I cannot agree. The two concepts: Creationism and Evolutionism have equally good arguments for our existence but, only creationism provides a reasonable, plausable, and complete picture.
Evolutionism falls abysmally short in explaining the origin of the "big bang". Something appearing out of nowhere?
Scientists need a reality check. By their very field, the notion of something appearing out of nowhere should cause them to shutter.
I posted a blog on the topic earlier.
I invite you to visit my site at garyross.ca.
Have a healthy and prosperous 2009.
Gary
I heard a good interview yesterday with John Lennox, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford and firm believer in Creation, and outspoken critic of atheism.
He made a good point that the debate shouldn't be Science vs. Religion, but Atheism vs. Theism which I agree with.
The part I found most interesting was when asked about the 'problem of pain' i.e. why would a God, if one existed, allow pain and suffering such as birth defects and earthquakes to exist, why not just stop them?
John's answer was "Let's suppose it is a powerful argument for getting rid of God... then we've solved the intellectual problem, but we haven't removed the suffering. And we have removed all hope. So I want to rephrase the question, I do believe in God so I have the problem. Are there any grounds for seeing a glimmer of hope in all of this? And I do believe that there are, you see, central to the Christian faith is the fact that the claim that God... died on a cross... [and therefore is not removed from human suffering] Why I have hope... is that death is not the end."
I don't blame people for having hope, I think it is one of the great attractions of religion, but this isn't a line of arguing that'll convince me that, for example, the world is only thousands of years old and humans did not evolve at any point in history.
Back to the classroom, if we're going to teach Creation then I'm afraid we'll have to teach about the Dreamtime, History of Buddha, and all the rest too, what do you think?
Hey Gary,
Welcome to the Odyssey and thanks for your comments.
Firstly, in this post I'm only offering a statistic with an amusing cartoon. It caught my eye from a website that I subscribe to called: http://counterknowledge.com/
You can check out the article at: http://counterknowledge.com/?cat=10
So whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant to this post. You can question the statistic, but it's not a matter for opinion.
Secondly, there are two issues we are looking at here: one - the concepts of creationism and evolution and two – whether creationism should be taught in schools.
Personally, I don't have a problem with creationism being taught in schools. It becomes a problem when it is presented at a “scientific fact” rather than a “religious belief”. Outside of schools specializing in religious education, I don’t know where else this is done. Certainly not in a state run school, in any of the five countries that I’ve lived in.
There is a danger for students who are not taught evolutionary theory as part of their high school qualification. I’ve heard that they can't enrol in science courses at non-religious universities, as their education is lacking. Regardless of whether you believe in evolution or not, it’s still one of the dominant scientific paradigms of the twenty-first century.
Regarding the concepts of creationism and evolution: I’m neither a scientist nor a theologian. I also couldn’t possibly hope to change your opinion, but I can give you mine:
I don’t really see creationism and evolution being mutually exclusive. I feel it’s possible to believe in both at the same time. Could the line from the bible “let there be light” be an analogy for the big bang? Perhaps; but the point is: the two subjects are mutually exclusive – one belongs in science class and the other in religious education. They are two completely different schools of thought. It’s like trying to solve a calculus equation by playing basketball… it ain’t going to happen.
Some of the greatest scientific minds of history have been devout Christians, including:
Georges Lemaître, a Roman Catholic priest, who proposed the Big Bang theory.
Francis Collins, the director of the U.S. Human Genome Project.
You don’t have to be an atheist to be a scientist.
In regard to your comments: “only creationism provides a reasonable, plausable, and complete picture” - I don’t agree. I can’t see any reason in it nor plausibility. Certainly your supporting argument: “Something appearing out of nowhere?” is just as counter-intuitive. God appearing out of nowhere is equally inexplicable as the big bang appearing out of nowhere.
It reminds me of that Family guy episode:
http://www.shoutfile.com/watch/pU42Mfcn/Family-Guy-Evolution-Explained.html
How the big bang, the universe and everything came into existence is a question that scientists are trying to answer, with projects like the Large Hadron Collider. Religion however, has no need to even address the question. It’s a matter of faith, which needs no proof.
That’s my personal opinion however and I support your right to have yours.
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